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hello and welcome to episode number 41

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of the point of convergence podcast as

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always i am your host exo academian

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to anyone with the faintest familiarity

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with the topic of the ufo phenomenon it

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is well understood that a central and

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long-standing aspect of this phenomenon

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involves not just sightings of

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unexplained manifestations in the skies

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above our heads

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but also contact and communication

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between human beings and supposed

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intelligent entities from elsewhere and

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perhaps even elsewhen as what we might

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perceive as movement through time might

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be as commonplace for them as what we

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perceive as movement through space

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that said as much as both monologues and

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dialogues are a key aspect of this

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endeavor the manner of communication has

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been decidedly varied even though there

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are some key components that repeat

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themselves time and time again

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in terms of the differences sometimes

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the messages are delivered in a linear

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chain of thought kind of way

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somewhat akin to how human beings

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communicate with each other

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other times entire bodies of knowledge

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just suddenly for lack of a better word

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arrive in the mind of the contact t

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these so-called downloads are

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astonishing because unlike computer

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files streaming from a server for

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instance these packets of information

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seem to be instantaneous no matter how

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vast the data being received is

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and these downloads often can overwhelm

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the recipient in the sense that

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sometimes

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these involve technical information that

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the individual doesn't have the capacity

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to understand

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often leading them to seek out others

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who do

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i mentioned there are also key

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components that repeat themselves time

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and time again when we look across the

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body of data obtained regarding the

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literature behind the ufo phenomenon

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a key aspect that appears almost every

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time we hear of supposed contact between

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these others and human beings is that of

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telepathy mind to mind communication

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that bypasses the need for speech

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altogether

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one should note here however that often

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the kind of telepathy reported between

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human beings and aliens is of a much

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more robust nature than types reported

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between two human beings for instance

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when telepathy occurs between people

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information still tends to be chained

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together piece by piece in linear

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fashion and shared directly mind to mind

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in the case of alien to human

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communication however the nature of the

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communication often involves much more

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than simply ideas or thought forms

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but also rich multi-faceted elements of

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emotion

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so much so that total presence telepathy

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might be a better way to describe this

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particular kind of communication

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another key piece of the communication

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between the others and human beings that

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occurs with striking regularity

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is the nature of the messages themselves

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repeated elements include concern for

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the trajectory of human civilization

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concern over our disproportionate rate

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of growth in technology when compared

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with our snails pace growth in

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consciousness concern over our seeming

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negligence in caring for the planet that

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is home to not only us but countless

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animal species and perhaps even to

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beings living in some kind of shadow

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beyond the parameters of normal human

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and concern with our overall propensity

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towards violence and aggression within

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our own species

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without a doubt the revelations that

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have emerged in this particular arena

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are amongst the most compelling and the

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most telling of the entire ufo

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phenomenon

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what do both the nature of the messages

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received as well as the fascinating

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manner in which they are communicated to

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these are the very matters we'll seek to

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engage with in this the 41st episode of

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as i mentioned in the introduction

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perhaps the most common type of

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communication that is reported between

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human beings and apparent aliens

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is telepathic communication that is mind

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to mind communication that doesn't

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involve speech at all

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in fact this form is so common that i

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sometimes wonder if people are just

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misremembering or are filling in the

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blanks so to speak based on previous

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experience amongst human beings when

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they claim these others do speak audibly

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from my point of view they may have had

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vocal cords at one point but may very

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well have evolved beyond the need for

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them once telepathy became paramount

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so what i'm saying is

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for those who do claim they hear them

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audibly perhaps people are just assuming

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that because we're so accustomed to

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communicating in that fashion

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when actually it may be happening inside

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their brain and they're just having a

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hard time recognizing the difference

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between that and actually processing

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that isn't to say it's not possible

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do this again they can project into our

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consciousness it seems to be

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so in that sense they certainly might do

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that if they choose to in certain

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occasions perhaps to put us at ease but

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again by default the usual form of

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communication by far

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is telepathic in nature

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but as i mentioned in the introduction

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this is much more than traditional

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telepathy as it's understood

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proven cases where telepathy happens

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between human beings this seems to be

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something underlyingly true about all

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conscious agents in the cosmos that we

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have this capacity

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but what human beings report when they

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are in contact with the others these

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supposed alien intelligences is a much

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more robust form of telepathic

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where as i said it's not just thought

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forms pieced together in linear thought

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but a much more multi-dimensional

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sharing of the entire presence of that

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sometimes it even happens that a human

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being picks up the entire presences of

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multiple entities and this is again

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extremely overwhelming for people

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because we are not accustomed to this

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kind of experience

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and speaking of that i'd like to engage

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in a little bit of speculation here

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after all this is the ufo phenomenon

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we're talking about plenty of

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speculation goes on here

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it may be that when people feel

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this sense of death even they've used

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that term almost like self erasure when

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they are in the presence of these others

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it could be for this very reason we're

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that when they are in the presence of

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these others a complete sharing happens

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of entire presences your presence feels

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completely vulnerable and exposed to

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them the totality of who you are past

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present future every fear every mistake

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and shame all of that is laid bare

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laid bare before you and so in that

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process our usual sense of a dividing

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line between ourselves and others

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is erased effectively and this may lead

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to that sense of death that overwhelm

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that makes people feel so lost

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so completely bewildered by the nature

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most common form

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next up i'd like to discuss channeling

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now what is channeling

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of channeling

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quote channeling is the process of

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revealing information and energy not

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now when most people think of channeling

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channeling in other words a person seems

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to be in a state of trance

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and they allow a supposed entity other

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than themselves to take over their body

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take over their vocal cords etc and use

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their body as a vehicle to communicate

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other words deceased human beings

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even and certainly aliens

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interchangeable and it basically refers

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vehicle for expression by some entity

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often known as possession and is often

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thought of as a negative thing

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is a positive occurrence as well

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this tends to look like by quoting from

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a book called a primer of the zetta race

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purportedly contains information that

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was channeled through a person named

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paul hamden

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by these entities

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known as zettas thus named because they

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are supposedly from zetta reticuli

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quoting from this book quote

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the information given through paul comes

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from different races of conscious beings

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that can live in the energetic

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the most prominent is the zetta race

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said to be from the zeta reticuli star

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system

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like us beings of this race have a

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physical and an energetic existence but

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are able to project their energetic body

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and or their consciousness to other

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places in the energetic realms this

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ability enables them to interact with

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paul's body in order to speak using his

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physical vocal apparatus

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while paul is in the altered state of

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consciousness he gives control of his

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body to the et communicator

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he becomes a passive observer able to

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monitor any conversation in the now

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but unable to participate in any

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conversation

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he does not hold any received

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information in memory and he is

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typically unable to remember it later in

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his normal state of awareness

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therefore audio recordings of the

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sittings are always made

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this process is difficult for most

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people to comprehend and so i offer a

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number of reasons why i believe that

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paul interacts with extraterrestrial

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beings

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these include the nature of some errors

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in the use of language the complexity of

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the subject matter discussed and the

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direct personal experiences that seem to

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originate in the zeta being

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unquote

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now regarding that section i just quoted

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and specifically the last part i want to

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bring a couple points to your attention

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number one the being doing the

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channeling is limited by the vocabulary

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of the person through which they're

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channeling

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so in other words this alien entity can

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only use the vocabulary available in

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paul's mind it searches that mind tries

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to find language that

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somewhat fits with what they're trying

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to express but sometimes you get

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peculiar uses of wording and language

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because of course english is not their

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native language

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so sometimes you get the sense that it

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is almost like someone whose native

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tongue is not english is trying to

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express something in other words it

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doesn't sound like something paul would

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say on his own

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another key point is that sometimes

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complex

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information is shared sometimes even of

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a technical nature or sometimes it may

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be because these beings are sharing

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something about their culture or their

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civilization

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and again this doesn't seem to be

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something that a human being would make

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up on the spot

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that isn't to say it's impossible

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perhaps a really good salesperson could

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convince you of this even if they were

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making the entire thing up

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but in the cases that are the most

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convincing where this seems to actually

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be happening

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it does seem that the vocabulary is

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limited by the

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mind of the individual being channeled

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through

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and sometimes you get strange

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translation errors because of that and

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on top of that you get information that

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sometimes is very complex more complex

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than would be typical for the individual

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who's being channeled through

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next up in our perusal through the

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various mediums of communication

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used by non-human supposed alien

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intelligences

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we have what are often referred to as

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direct downloads

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this term of course arises from the

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computer era where we are used to for

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instance streaming information from a

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server onto our local computer

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downloading information

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what's interesting with this kind of

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download when it comes to alien

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intelligences sending information to

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human beings though

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as i mentioned in the introduction

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is that there seems to be no

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time gap between when the message begins

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and when it ends

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often a human being will just suddenly

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have a new packet of information

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sometimes of a vast amount of

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information that wasn't there previously

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to give you an example if you think back

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to the movie the matrix they would

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sometimes send a

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packet of information regarding how to

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fly a helicopter for instance and almost

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instantaneously

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someone who couldn't do it previously

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somehow now had the capacity to do so

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because of this download

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now with these others they send this

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information and it's instantaneous and

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again it can sometimes include very

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technical information

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and sometimes a human being will wake up

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and suddenly realize that something's

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happened overnight that now they have

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this new information in their minds and

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they have no idea where it came from

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now there are various cases in history

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where people supposedly had this kind of

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download and it involved for instance

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revolutionary technology

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for instance a woman was communicated to

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about a perpetual motion machine

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that in other words produces more energy

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than you put in which of course if that

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were true when we achieved something

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like that

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that would revolutionize our entire

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economy because you would now not need

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to rely on fossil fuels and you wouldn't

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need to rely on nuclear

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technology either you could simply start

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up this machine and it would perpetually

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produce energy

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of a vast amount enough to power every

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city in the world and it's basically

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free

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now again the record as to how likely

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how specific these kinds of downloads

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are

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i would say that the history is somewhat

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sketchy in other words there haven't

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been many cases that i'm aware of where

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this has really panned out

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now perhaps this was a translation error

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perhaps there are errors in the way the

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person's interpreting the download

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that's sitting in their mind there could

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be a lot of reasons but that's just

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cases where extremely technical

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supposedly revolutionary technology was

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shared

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there are many other times where people

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do seem to have demonstrable

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understandings of data that they

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previously had no understanding of

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people who had understandings for

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instance in areas of science that they

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had no capacity for before nor any

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history for so these are very

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fascinating cases where again the

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download comes from these others

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seemingly is instantaneous and can

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contain vast amounts of information

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now in terms of my take on these

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supposed downloads i really do think

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this happens

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while again the case for revolutionary

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technologies may be somewhat scant

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i personally know of cases where people

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whom i consider trustworthy

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have said that it was during a contact

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or abduction experience when they were

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young sometimes as a teenager

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that propelled their interest in or

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their capacity for

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a certain field of study specifically in

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scientific endeavors

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capacities that they showed no signs for

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beforehand in other words they really

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did seem to change it's not even that

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their natural capacities were just being

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enhanced there seems to be examples

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where entirely new giftings were

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basically granted given by these others

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and in some cases it changed the course

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of some people's lives

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okay so that covers some of the most

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common mediums of communication between

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these alien non-human intelligences and

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human beings

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now let's talk about the messages

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themselves

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of course there's more than one there's

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different kinds of messages that are

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communicated

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that said there are a few messages that

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are front and center time and time again

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there definitely seems to be a certain

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theme that these others very commonly

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want to relay to human beings

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specifically they want to express their

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concerns over the far-reaching

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consequences of nuclear weapons

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and also of the environmental damage

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being done directly and indirectly to

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the planet as a consequence of human

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actions and even as a result a direct

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consequence of current human economic

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structures

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and to be clear this is not just about

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messaging

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it's much more than that the way that

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these others impress the

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perilous nature of the place we

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currently find ourselves in is quite

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astounding

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for instance contact these slash

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abductees are very often shown actual

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scenes of apocalypse

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so as to drive home the perilous nature

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of our current trajectory

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they seem to know us well enough to know

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we're much more likely to act on

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something if we felt the consequences

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directly emotionally viscerally

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rather than merely being warned about

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some possible future that we may come

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across in a somewhat abstract way

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now as i say this theme is very common

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this messaging is very common

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and to demonstrate this i'd now like to

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quote from the book real encounters

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different dimensions and otherworldly

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beings

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by brad steiger and sherry hansensteiger

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and they call this the cosmic gospel

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from the space brothers again

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various entities various intelligences

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even different races purportedly share

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this message but the nature of the

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message is very common

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quoting from the book quote

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the essence of the cosmic gospel of the

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space brothers

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contains such concepts as the following

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number one humankind is not alone in the

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solar system and what humans do somehow

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affects the entire universe

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after the explosions of atomic bombs in

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1945

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signaled that earth had entered the

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nuclear age

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brothers and sisters from outer space

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have come to earth to help those humans

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who will listen to their promise of a

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larger universe and heed their warnings

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to become better caretakers of the

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planet

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number two the space beings want

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humankind to become eligible to join an

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intergalactic spiritual federation

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number three the space beings have come

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to assist the people of earth to lift

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their spiritual vibratory rate so they

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may enter new dimensions

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according to the space beings jesus

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krishna confucius and many of the other

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leaders of the great religions came to

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earth to teach humanity these very same

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abilities

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number four the citizens of earth stand

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now in a transitional period before the

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dawn of a new age of peace love and

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understanding

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and number five if the earthlings should

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not raise their vibratory rate within a

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set period of time severe earth changes

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and major cataclysms will take place and

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a larger portion of the human population

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will be destroyed

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unquote

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now to some people that kind of wording

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sounds a little bit hokey it sounds a

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little bit like a science fiction film

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from the 1950s or 60s

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but when you take out some of the

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specific language the underlying theme

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is consistently shared across time

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across cultures and by supposedly

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different kinds of alien beings

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there seems to be indeed more than one

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kind of entity more than one kind of

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species that shares this message

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and in that sense there does seem to be

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some cohesion around something like a

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galactic federation or at least

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a somewhat loose agreement between

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non-human intelligences to make human

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beings aware of again the perilous

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again when you think back on some of the

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most compelling cases of contact between

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these others and human beings

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you see this warning this message front

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and center

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think for instance of the aerial school

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encounter from zimbabwe

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those kids not only saw ufos

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but they interacted with alien beings

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and they had various telepathic messages

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communicated to them and these messages

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again were all about impending

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apocalypse and concerns about the way

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human beings are treating the planet

576
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:02,960
other species and even each other

577
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:05,760
cross-culturally and what not

578
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:08,000
if there is one central message that is

579
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:10,480
communicated most commonly by these

580
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,840
others to human beings across decades

581
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,600
and across cultures

582
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:17,520
this is it

583
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:20,159
and of course also as part of that quote

584
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,360
i shared

585
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,600
there is a spiritual element to the

586
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:25,440
message very often

587
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:28,960
and a promise of a potential ascension

588
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:31,840
to a higher dimensional reality again i

589
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:33,360
understand some people are triggered by

590
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:36,720
that vibratory rate or dimension

591
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:40,080
kind of wording but underlyingly it's

592
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,120
talking about a transition where if

593
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:45,440
human consciousness can evolve to a

594
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:48,240
certain degree then the entire way

595
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:49,520
humankind

596
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:52,480
basically interacts with reality and all

597
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:54,400
these other entities that are supposedly

598
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:55,520
around us

599
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,080
can and will change

600
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:00,880
likewise if we fail to make that

601
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:03,679
ascension if we fail to heed these

602
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:06,000
warnings and change our behavior and

603
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:07,840
raise our consciousness

604
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:11,600
then the consequences may be indeed very

605
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:14,000
very dire

606
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:16,640
and by the way i would be remiss to not

607
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:19,200
add that the nature of these messages

608
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,720
seem to be both explicit and implicit

609
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:24,480
for instance of course we have famous

610
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:27,760
historical cases like that accounted in

611
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:30,159
jacques vallee and paula harris's most

612
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:33,520
recent book trinity the best kept secret

613
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:36,400
that talked about supposed in quotes

614
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:39,039
crashes of vehicles

615
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:41,200
right around the areas where human

616
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,360
beings first began testing atomic bombs

617
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:47,520
now many will look at this and say this

618
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:49,679
seems to be not a crash in the

619
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:52,159
conventional sense but rather

620
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,039
a indirect message trying to draw our

621
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:57,120
attention to that specific place and

622
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,799
that specific time

623
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,640
and what was happening in that specific

624
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:02,880
place at that specific time

625
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:05,120
it was the testing of the first atomic

626
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:06,640
bomb

627
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,320
and of course there's a lot more to go

628
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:10,480
on than just that specific case and

629
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:11,919
cases like it

630
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:15,760
we also have repeated cases of ufos

631
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,120
hovering over nuclear weapons facilities

632
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,120
both in the united states and in the

633
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:23,520
former soviet union for instance during

634
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:24,880
the cold war

635
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:27,360
there were even times where

636
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:30,480
an apparent ufo would take down a

637
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:32,720
warhead that was being tested for

638
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:35,039
instance off of big sur off the coast of

639
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:37,360
california this actually happened

640
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,039
historically

641
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:40,880
and when they hovered over the nuclear

642
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:43,440
weapons facilities they often took

643
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:46,559
offline our nuclear weapons so that for

644
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:49,760
instance if one of the cold war actors

645
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:51,919
were to launch an attack the other one

646
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,000
would not be able to respond from that

647
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:56,400
particular silo because the weapons were

648
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:57,600
offline

649
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,559
so ironically as much as people say

650
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:02,240
come on aliens why don't you just show

651
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:04,480
up on the lawn of the white house

652
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,080
instead what they've been doing is

653
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:08,640
drawing our attention to our nuclear

654
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:11,600
weapons facilities time and time again

655
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:13,760
that if there's one place where they

656
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:15,840
show up and seemingly are trying to

657
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:18,159
point something out it is in those

658
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,000
specific places

659
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,000
which of course have the potential to

660
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,400
destroy our entire civilization

661
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:27,039
and take much of the planet's biosphere

662
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,400
along with it

663
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,559
now speaking of messages from these

664
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,320
others to human beings

665
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,559
while the nuclear devastation and the

666
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:36,720
environmental warnings are front and

667
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,760
center

668
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,360
those of course are not the only

669
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:41,360
messages shared

670
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:43,600
another key aspect has to do with the

671
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:46,559
supposed genetic aspects and the

672
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,159
hybridization programs that are

673
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:50,640
supposedly taking place

674
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:53,200
now while some people are very alarmed

675
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:55,200
by these events and they certainly seem

676
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:57,279
to be supported by the data something

677
00:27:02,230 --> 00:26:59,840
really is happening of this nature when

678
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,240
human beings get beyond the ontological

679
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:04,559
shock aspect where they respond like

680
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:07,279
frightened animals and actually develop

681
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:08,320
more of a

682
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,960
friendly and participatory relationship

683
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,559
with these others

684
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,120
they are communicated to about these

685
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,360
hybridization programs

686
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:19,520
specifically they have been told for

687
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,679
instance that if they could do it in any

688
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:23,520
other way they would but that the

689
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:25,840
genetic encounters and the hybridization

690
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:29,600
programs are absolutely necessary

691
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,159
now of course that begs the question to

692
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:34,480
whom one might ask

693
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:37,039
is it possibly for both

694
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,200
and this is one of the aspects of the

695
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:41,840
data that most makes me think about the

696
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:44,080
notion the possibility

697
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:47,440
that these others may in some way be us

698
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:48,960
from the future

699
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:51,840
in fact they've shared this idea some of

700
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:52,960
them anyway

701
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:55,600
that at some point in their evolutionary

702
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:58,960
history emotions were bred out of them

703
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:00,799
and they are now trying to breed them

704
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,159
back in by creating hybrids that include

705
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,480
our genetic material

706
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:08,320
in other words a future course of

707
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:10,880
engineered human evolution is trying to

708
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:13,039
be averted by these others you could

709
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:16,640
argue again time travel may be central

710
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:19,039
to this entire phenomenon or at least to

711
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:20,399
the aspect that involves the

712
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:22,960
hybridization programs

713
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:24,399
and now i'd like to share a few

714
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,760
concluding thoughts for your

715
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:27,760
consideration

716
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:31,200
first some will complain and suggest it

717
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,320
is a weakness of the data when we come

718
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,320
across these kinds of messages about

719
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:38,960
ascension about consciousness

720
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:41,760
and about concerns that seem decidedly

721
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,120
human

722
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,600
this suggests to some critics that this

723
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:47,919
is actually not a message from aliens

724
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,240
whatsoever but actually something from

725
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:52,399
the imagination the overactive

726
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:55,279
imagination of human beings

727
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:57,760
their argument goes like this

728
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,440
alien beings would have followed a

729
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:01,279
completely different evolutionary

730
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:04,080
trajectory therefore the likelihood that

731
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:05,840
they would have the same concerns that

732
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:06,960
we do

733
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:09,919
is not very high in fact they find it

734
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:12,880
very suspect when their concerns seem

735
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,360
very aligned with perhaps the most

736
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:17,840
advanced human beings in terms of

737
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:19,360
consciousness

738
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,320
but from my perspective i think this

739
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:25,440
concern is based on an over reliance on

740
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:29,120
evolution as the only explanatory theory

741
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,520
to explain development across the cosmos

742
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,600
from my perspective there are certain

743
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:37,600
fundamentals that actually differ from

744
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:38,960
this perspective

745
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:40,960
one of them as i have said many times on

746
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:43,200
this podcast is the notion that

747
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:46,000
consciousness may actually be primary to

748
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,279
existence

749
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,000
and aspects like matter and energy are

750
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:52,320
mere derivatives and of course this

751
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,039
completely turns on its head the

752
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,960
argument i just described regarding

753
00:30:01,590 --> 00:29:59,279
evolutionary history which supposedly is

754
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,600
just an arbitrary and somewhat random

755
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:03,440
process

756
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:06,480
if consciousness is fundamental then it

757
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,200
seems likely in fact almost guaranteed

758
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:11,200
from my perspective that there would be

759
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,399
certain constants across the cosmos

760
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:16,240
in other words whatever creative

761
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:19,120
intelligence is behind the cosmos itself

762
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:20,960
or the multiverse if you'd rather use

763
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:22,640
that term

764
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:26,000
then the beings the entities the species

765
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,440
that developed across that great expanse

766
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,679
would very likely follow similar

767
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:34,000
trajectories where the same lessons are

768
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:36,320
learned because there are certain cosmic

769
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:38,960
constants that are true across the

770
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:40,960
entire spectrum

771
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:43,120
and therefore i find it actually

772
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:44,960
compelling that these supposedly

773
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,159
superior alien intelligences are sharing

774
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:50,640
the messages they are sharing

775
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,240
and why

776
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,480
because as i've explained before these

777
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:56,880
are precisely the kinds of messages i

778
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,840
would expect from a species from an

779
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:01,919
intelligence that is on the higher

780
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:06,559
levels of the spectrum of consciousness

781
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:09,200
now considering all of the subliminal

782
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:12,159
and subtle implicit waves these others

783
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,919
are trying to change our perspective

784
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,840
about things like the environment and

785
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:17,440
nuclear weapons

786
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,000
it may be that these others are trying

787
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,559
to raise a grassroots awareness to the

788
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:24,640
dangers of nuclear weapons and

789
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:26,559
environmental collapse

790
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,000
so as to have us embrace and thus own

791
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:32,159
our collective responsibility to turn

792
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:35,279
ourselves away from the precipice we now

793
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:38,720
stand perishly close to the edge of

794
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:40,720
this may be the tightrope balance of

795
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:43,600
intervention and non-interference they

796
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:46,640
are presently trying to walk

797
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:49,440
on the other hand if you knew the future

798
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,200
you may be able to calculate the

799
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:53,760
smallest degree of intervention needed

800
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,240
to bring about a sea change

801
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:58,640
after all moving a big ship is much

802
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,840
easier if you have time on your side if

803
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,080
you can plan ahead

804
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,159
perhaps that's why so much of this seems

805
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:08,960
to be happening via implicit messaging

806
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,600
and subliminal subconscious imprinting

807
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:15,840
regardless who these others ultimately

808
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:18,480
end up being and being from

809
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:20,960
it truly is remarkable to me how

810
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:23,279
consistent the messaging has been over

811
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,399
time

812
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:26,559
and whether they end up being us from

813
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:28,960
the future coming from a time where the

814
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:31,679
drastic and far-reaching consequences of

815
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:34,000
nuclear weapons and or environmental

816
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:36,000
collapse are being felt by that

817
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:37,519
civilization

818
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:39,919
or they end up being as has been claimed

819
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:42,480
fairly frequently in the literature

820
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:45,200
from another world another civilization

821
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:48,720
unrelated to ours but who made their own

822
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:51,600
world uninhabitable by following a

823
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:53,840
similar trajectory that we are currently

824
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:56,320
on we would do well to take their

825
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,909
and on that note we've come to the close

826
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:05,600
of another edition of the point of

827
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,519
convergence podcast

828
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:09,679
please continue to share word about this

829
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,240
podcast on social media and amongst your

830
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:14,240
friends amongst anyone you think would

831
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:16,960
be interested in these fascinating and

832
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,399
compelling and essential matters

833
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:22,720
but until next time friends from deep

834
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:24,559
within the blue ridge mountains of north

835
00:33:29,380 --> 00:33:28,000
carolina this is exo academian signing